Someone on chat posted the following:
Also, there is some talk about Councilman Dills and his comment about folks going to the boat therefore not paying for trash.....is there any recording of this or is this strictly hearsay???
While we may make fun, we really don't post gossip as content for this blog. The post by Nellie provided a link to the video. In addition, Rich Knode was there taping the workshop, if you don't trust Sailor's version.
I guess we could make it real easy. I was previously provided with audio and divided out Owensby's Munsch comment. I used the same audio and divided out Dill's comments.
He pretty much says "people can't pay their trash here, but are paying Maryland Height's trash out at the boat". Audio of this is here.
Also, there is some talk about Councilman Dills and his comment about folks going to the boat therefore not paying for trash.....is there any recording of this or is this strictly hearsay???
While we may make fun, we really don't post gossip as content for this blog. The post by Nellie provided a link to the video. In addition, Rich Knode was there taping the workshop, if you don't trust Sailor's version.
I guess we could make it real easy. I was previously provided with audio and divided out Owensby's Munsch comment. I used the same audio and divided out Dill's comments.
He pretty much says "people can't pay their trash here, but are paying Maryland Height's trash out at the boat". Audio of this is here.
7 comments:
FineWine,
In the cooler months, less trash pickup could be considered (I guess). Conversely, more than 1X per week might be wise in the summer months when it gets stinky faster.
There is always a certain unfairness to the trash issue. Single folks and recyclers have less trash, itself. However, they are charged the same.
Dills comment is very telling on how he feels about such a program to help anyone in the city. (Ward Warriors, Trash Program, whatever).
Are the participants going to be subject to scruitiny? Will we hear Les Dills complaining at city council meetings that he has seen various aid recepients buying name brands instead of generics at the grocery store? Or that they were shopping at a supermarket and not a discount food chain like Save A Lot?
Will Dills be enacting a drive-by program to ensure that noone who receives aid has too large of a home? Or too nice?
Will he be checking the driveways and carports to see that the car isn't too new or too nice?
Fido,
You are correct about Kirkwood's recycling center. I was just by there today dropping off some old phonebooks. (But, I was in the neighborhood.)
Post Metro section pg. B3
Pool cleaning business gets OK
I thought this guy told the mayor he changed his mind about moving his business to Overland.
First, FineWino says she only uses trash once a week therefore should not pay for two trash pickups. But in the same paragraph she admits that she is able to dispose of her neighbor's trash as well as her trash in one weekly pickup.
This is known as a free-rider problem in that FineWine's neighbor is free-riding off the trash service paid for by FineWine. We will see the free-rider problem discussed later in the post. But doesn't hurt that much because if two houses use one weekly pickup but are paying for two weekly pickups, they are not perfectly free-riding.
Red Herrings.
Regardless of good, redistributive social welfare programs for underprivileged must first define what is to be underprivileged. In other words you must test the means of people to determine whether they qualify for assistance, hence the term "means tested program".
The process of determining who qualifies for assistance and who does not qualify must rest upon some form of evidence, artifact or data. Oral declarations of one's poverty are not effective in redistributive programs because people lie. Those that are to be giving disingenuously attempt to be receiving. (See Mike Schneider and St. Louis County Personal Property Tax)
This is a most contentious problem under ideal conditions. For example, Bear says there are "so many" people who need trash assistance and willing to bet on it. I half jokingly say I will take her bet if she can determine what exactly is "so many". She dodges the challenge by replying "more than one". In that simple exercise we have demonstrated the folly of this entire line of thinking.
To determine how many is so many you must first determine what it means to be poor, or develop a test of one's means to pay for good/service in absence of a program, hence means tested program.
Now let us say that we will use income as a measure of privilege and that we say those under $20,000/year qualify as underprivileged and those above as privileged.
What do you think will happen when a person making $20,001 lives next to a person making $19,999 where one pays for trash service and one does not.
Isn't that really what Dills is already saying, my neighbors who will qualify for assistance do not deserve it.
As much as I hate to agree with anyone, more or less Less Dills, his position is illustrative in an off-had way in his comment concerning "das boot".
Posted by THE BOSS on November 7, 2007, 10:44 pm, in reply to "Re: OVERLAND HELP ME!"
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Some folks just never seem to learn........... It would be funny if not sort of sad.
And what do you know, The Boss is also concerned about free calendar. She ought to contact FineWine, Music Note and Blue Eyes to form a Free Calendar Party.
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